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J Scott Cathcart's avatar

I’ve been following Dreher’s re-enchantment for a while now (amongst his other writings), and I can honestly say I am sitting in the edge of my seat waiting for YOUR next post. Don’t get me wrong, I love Dreher and his mind — and he pointed me to you — but your posts speak to something I can’t wait to hear more about. A world that has gone crazy, a world that doesn’t understand where the road it is running down is going to lead it. I think you do. You may not, but, DAMN! you *get* a lot of it, and I want to know what you think. It moves my soul. I’m here, waiting for the rest of it!

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Timo Ellis's avatar

Hi Paul- thank you for your always excellent, heartful writing and scholarship, as well as your intellectual bravery and candor overall.

Watching this video interview, I came away with the feeling that I might sincerely re-investigate Christianity from a much different perspective RE: ritual, denying the self, radical humility, the essential human need for myth... all of these things seem sensible and true, and as you suggest may be more relevant/ important than ever today to try and actionably summon.

However I just wanted to register a few other comments here; IMO, Pageau, based on the philosophy expounded in several of his other videos… has some pretty retrograde/ frankly openly sexist views; his explication of/ defense of the so-called natural authority flowing from the top down, + from men to women, is IMO extremely flimsily conceptualized...if not almost idiotic. also, for him to frame the worldwide George Floyd protest movement primarily as a, “religious impulse“, although perhaps true in a very “macro” sense....to me seemed bizarrely paternalistic (as well as extremely tone deaf.)

And let me be totally clear, here; IMO

explicitly seeking to integrate the modern feminist struggle, along with other (massive) demographics of human society in one’s Christian philosophy/ vision...is NOT some knee-jerk expression of “woke-ness”!! Nor is my critique of him here an effort to try to “cancel” him, or broadly reject any/ all of his other ideas; just to point out that (some of) his perspectives in this context, IMO work at fundamental cross-purposes with a truer vision of love, compassion, true understanding etc.

uncritical/ unexamined, modern human, male and white supremacy, while (also) being obvious foundational characteristics of a godless/ hyper-individualist/ capitalist culture…unfortunately also (still) go deeply hand-in-hand with traditional Christianity, and IMO one must be extremely vigilant/ careful about not uncritically allowing these toxic dogmas to remain tacitly animated, even when they superficially appear to cut against the grain of mainstream (Christian, atheist, capitalist) culture.

IMO, Pageau’s often overly simplistic and paternalistic Christian worldview explicitly eschews recent historical reality and political analysis, in favor of more reassuring macro-philosophical (and mythological) narratives- + based on the comments section of the video itself (*not his responsibility obviously! but still worth noting)..it seems that many of his viewers apparently still don’t have a visceral sense of how catastrophic the environmental catastrophe actually is.. and (in some cases) also casually vilify BLM/ liberalism as whole/ the entire climate change movement. + regardless of (some of) the misplaced fervor embodied by champions of these movements online...IMO broadly dismissing these phenomena merely as expressions of “failed liberalism“ seems extremely misguided...if not flat out dangerous.

...I just think it’s extremely important for advocates of (even radical) Christian values to not unwittingly gloss over the real life, on-the-ground economic and political mechanics of present day white supremacy (*which while having non-racially specific antecedents/ precedents, + ones far older and more deeply entrenched than their current manifestations) .. IMO it still warrants at least being mentioned (if not actively litigated) in any serious discussion about a contemporary radical transformation of human society.

anyway, thank you again for your excellent work + I look forward to all of your upcoming writings ❤️

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